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Seems like there have been efforts to delegitimize Israel since its founding. BDS strikes me as new momentum because it's mainstreamed hating Israel. Would you agree? Why is this so effective? Americans generally don't feel more sympathy toward Palestinians.
I'm not sure I know, but here's my guess. I was a devoted radical activist in the 60s'
Are you a Bibi supporter? If not, who?
I'm an American Jew who feels a strong affinity with Israel. If I wanted to vote in Israeli elections I could make aliyah. I have chosen to live my life as an American, so I do not feel entitled to have a strong allegiance in Israeli politics. True, I am put off by the extremes at either end of the Israeli spectrum, but as between the center-right and center-left, I support them all.
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where does one find your book? also, where are you from?
Just being helpful ... http://www.amazon.com/Making-David-into-Goliath-Against/dp/1594037353
Thanks for that one, joola. Amazon, B
Will we have peace in 10 years? 20? 50?
We pray for peace, but 10 years seems highly unlikely, and 20 years, doubtful. 50, more likely. Look around the region. The Arab world is convulsed in violence. Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Sinai, not long ago Algeria, Lebanon, Western Sahara. The Palestinians are unable to make peace with the Palestinians. They’ve made clear they are not ready to make peace with the Jews. I’m afraid that the Arab world must develop in more peaceful, humane ways, before they are.
Why do we keep hearing GOOD and BAD stories about BDS/anti-Israelism on campus? What is actually happening, who is actually winning?? Thanks!
The anti-Israel campaign was under way for a few years before organized efforts to fight back were launched. I don’t know who is winning now but the most important thing to know is that the whole BDS campaign was launched and is led by two Palestinian-Americas who openly advocate Israel’s destruction.
What should the Israeli gvt, pro-israel orgs, etc be doing differently to change this trend?
I don't know. But my advice, especially to student groups, is don't be soft and apologetic. The anti-Israel campaign has neither truth nor decency on its side. Of course, Israel should be compromising in its quest for peace, but we should not be compromising in defending Israel against radical enemies who seek its destruction.
Why does this article not get published in a major US newspaper/journal? Why do all of these types of articles get the backpages????
Well, in truth, articles of mine and others sometimes do appear in major media. But it is true that there is little balance. In this era, as opposed, say, to 1948, the left side of the spectrum is aligned against Israel, and the worlds of journalism, academy, and entertainment are strongly skewed to the left.
Can you explain "intersectionality?" It's a term I just read about discussing "pink washing."
This term is from the babble of "Marxist feminist critical theory," a sorry outgrowth of 1960s extreme leftism. Essentially it holds that everything that goes on in the world is part of a master drama in which the evil white, heterosexual males oppress everyone else. It refers to the possibility that a single individual might be doubly oppressed (e.g., black and female, female and gay, etc.) or that members of these various noble oppressed categories should work together. Palestinians have been admitted as one of the oppressed "sections," Jews not.
Your books/article - I haven't read the books but descriptions - would be making the case that hatred toward Israel has evolved. That would mean that the "expected" hatred, the neighboring countries in the early years of the state, the Muslim countries that support the neighboring countries, Iran for its anti-US/anti-Israel fundamentalist state, etc. my question then - hatred toward Israel is now something that has expanded to groups that would have no natural affinity toward Muslim states in the Middle East, Iran, etc. How and when did these people end up siding with them against Israel?
This touches on my reply to the question about"intersectionality." In order to maintain the solidity of the united front, this movement gives priority to the supposed non-whiteness or non-Westernness of the Palestinians--and therefore in deference to this they take some kind of other of silence about the treatment of women, gays etc. by Palestinian society.
The flaw in that logic (one of them) is that a good percentage of Israelis are neither white nor male.
is the UN just too full of "muslim" countries to ever not hate israel?
Essentially, yes. Last I looked there were 193 member states of the UN. All UN bodies, except the Security Council, operate by majority rule. The Non-Aligned Movement is an official caucus within the UN, and it has 120 members, in other words, an overwhelming majority. Within the NAM, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation comprises 57 members, i.e., enough to control it. So there is a kind of telescoping leverage: the 22 Arab League members can dominate the OIC
I always wondered... what percentage of ME countries actually dont hate israel but have to pretend they do?
It's important to distinguish grass roots from government. At the street level there is still great hatred everywhere. many of the gov'ts cooperate with Israel. In recent years, there are more articles in the Arab press asking why they should hate Israel so. This means that attitudes could change at the street level, too, although gradually. Many Arabs today fear Iran much more than Israel. And for good reason.
Is there one major reason the world turned against israel?
For each Jew in the world there are 100 Muslims. If you are an outsider and observe a battle between 100 and 1, you have to have unusual courage and principle to take the side of the one."
always hated jews will always hate jews... theres 1000 examples in history of why they do
Top 3 reasons they hate us... ?
Do you mean hate Israel?1) Sheer numbers.2) Intimidation: terror and oil boycott.3) Contemporary definition of "social justice." It was once all about the poor against the rich. In the post-WWII world "social justice" has become all about the struggles of the "anticolonial" "people of color" against the "Western white man." Seen through this trope, the Arabs/Palestinians are the former and the Israelis the latter.
Is hating Israel now a PC requirement?
Absolutely--if your political outlook is cut to the pattern of contemporary Leftist dogma, you must hate Israel.
What is the best way to confront BDS and other anti-Israel activity on campus? Logic does seem to work. The "Israel wants peace" argument doesn't seem to work. Some campus pro-Israel activists say the other side won't even meet with them because that would give the pro-Israel side a "victory" by "legitimizing" them.
Firmness, courage, no apologies. Take the offensive. The two founders of BDS--Barghouti and Abunimah--openly oppose Israel's existence. In other words, they are genocidaires. Anyone who supports their movement should be called out on it.
Let's say hypothetically Israel gave up 90 percent of the West Bank and some portion of East Jerusalem for a Palestinian state. How does world opinion of Israel change?
I don't know. What I do know is that the Palestinians will not accept this. Olmert offered more than that. The Clinton Parameters call for more than that, and Barak accepted them. Obama/Kerry put this on the table. Arafat and then Abbas have said no each time.
What prompted you to write this book??
One day about 6-7 years back I read about a story in the largest Swedish daily, alleging that Israelis had taken to slaughtering random Palestinians for their organs. I thought WTF? How did the world get so crazy? So I set out to understand the process.
Thanks Dr. Muravchik for doing this. I read the article http://mosaicmagazine.com/observation/2015/12/why-i-changed-my-mind-about-anti-semitism-and-anti-israelism/ and thought it was very good. I wonder - when other Israeli leaders have held office, there has been a lot less anti-Israel sentiment (maybe not @ the UN). Is this a function of timing, status of peace process, or deeply felt loathing of Netanyahu?
It is true that Netanyahu's defiant demeanor and his right-of-center policies rub some people the wrong way. The same was true for Begin and other Likud leaders. But the turn against Israel began before Begin's victory in the late 70s, the first ever for Likud, and it continued under later left-of-center governments. The face Israel's government shows to the world has a marginal impact, but not a fundamental one.
Dr. Joshua Muravchik, distinguished fellow at the World Affairs Institute, is the author of 11 books, including Making David into Goliath: How the World Turned Against Israel and more than 400 articles in newspapers, magazines, and scholarly journals. He was formerly a fellow at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a fellow in residence at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. His recent article, “Why I Changed My Mind about Anti-Semitism and Anti-Israelism,” inspired us to ask him to participate in an Ask Me Anything.
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